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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 458 thank you

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haha yeah thank you sound effects people

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450 for the 4th of June 2017

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richardsaunders here with you from

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Sydney Australia

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a bit wintry it's not quite winter yet

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although officially it is although it's

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not for some strange reason in this

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country we declare winter to be on the

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1st of June I don't know why so

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depending on how you look at it it's um

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it's winter coming up on this week's

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show we're going to kick off with their

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little report from me about the

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real-life consequences of having chicken

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pox when I was very young I can't even

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remember when and I not sure if I can

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find out but anyway when I was under

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three or something I had chicken pox and

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part of that chicken pox has come back

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to visit me all these years later find

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out what and why and how coming up at

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the top of the show following that it's

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a yeah little news item from the

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Australian skeptics website about a

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University now no longer having crystal

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healing seminars good grief

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in the 21st century there are still

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outfits out there having crystal healing

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what do they heal the crystals

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maybe there's a crack in the crystal and

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they put in a bit of putty I don't know

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we'll find out soon a little bit later

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on in the show then it's brouhaha

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science with Ben Lewis this week talking

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about the security risks of having a

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pacemaker that's an unusual one then its

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susan gerbic now old friend Susan go

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back from guerrilla skepticism on

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Wikipedia she's going to be visiting the

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Monterey Bay Aquarium and telling us how

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important it is to support scientific

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institutions as some of them have to

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resort to running ghost tours in order

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to make a buck and I have been on many

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ghosts to us in fact I just went on one

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which we'll talk about next week

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and so far the ghosts have been pretty

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scarce as in non-existent as in no

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ghosts maybe they're scared of skeptics

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I don't know

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anyway susan gerbic tells us about the

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importance of supporting real scientific

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institutions after that it's the raw

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skeptic haile Robinson telling us of a

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story concerning someone we discuss

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every now and then on the show dr. Julie

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Y Lehman who received her PhD and

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basically for basically anti-vaccination

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thesis very strange indeed and now she's

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using the power of a PhD well you'll

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find out soon how and the skeptics

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response coming up towards the end of

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the show with Heidi Robinson the raw

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skeptic report then to round off the

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show what a report we have I was unable

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to go to the latest skeptics in the pub

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for reasons you'll soon discover with my

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first report coming up but Maynard was

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on hand and it's sort of a two-part

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report he brings us he's going to ask

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pub goers why they think more mystics

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and psychics and clairvoyance and tarot

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card readers and numerologists or

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dowsing people or people who pretend to

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a pope or think they talk to the dead

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and so on why more people don't come to

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us and apply for our $100,000 prize you

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think they'd be lined up out the door

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fact this week on various interactions

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on Facebook of us to people to step

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forward and back up their claims they

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flatly refused I wonder why anyway we'll

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find out but also also in that report

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from Maynard is her well hell is it

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hilarious is it meaningful it is quite

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good Maynard tries his hand at doing CPR

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on a dummy a test sort of a test dummy

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for medical training purposes

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our good friend Trish Han brought along

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a dummy that she uses and she instructed

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the skeptics in the pub poppers on basic

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first-day techniques is CPR and so on

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I'm really sorry I missed this night

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anyway Maynard tries to

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ah rescue the dummy will he survive will

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the dummy survival may not survive as

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may not have it within him to be a an

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ambulance driver what do you think we'll

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find out as Maynard and other people try

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to resuscitate the dummy add skeptics in

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the pub oh I'm sorry I missed that one I

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really am I'm sorry I missed going to

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skeptics in the pub when you hear the

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report I think you'll agree it sounded

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like a really fun night

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now before we crack on with the rest of

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the show I've had requests and know some

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of them are physically impossible but

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this one isn't some time ago I used to

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roll a dice and people would play at

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home try to predict what the dice would

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roll which is a bit of a weird exercise

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in sort of strange logic because if you

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think about it by the time you hear it

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the dice or what I'm about to do is all

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in the past I'm speaking to you now from

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the past it's all over it's recorded

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you've downloaded it it's all happened

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but you don't know what's about to

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happen so in that respect what I'm about

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to do is in your future it's in my

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future to actually as I sit here

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although by the time you hear about it

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it's in my past it's also in your past

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but in your future at the same time

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sounds like the basis of a good or a bad

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science fiction novel I'm going to roll

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a series of dice and you get to predict

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the outcome I've got a six-sided a 10

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sided a 20 sided and

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a 30 sided quite a bit heavier so here

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we go here we go let's give it a whirl

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I'll start with the six so shaking it

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now predict away everybody you've got a

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one in six chance six that's our first

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number I'll put that aside okay let's

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move on to the ten sided take that in my

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hands and all off the table try again

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follow up the table try it it bounces a

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lot come on there we go

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ten ten now we are so 610 move on

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the 20-sided dice isn't this fun boys

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and girls here we go 20-sided so have a

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think number between one and twenty well

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including one in twenty four there we go

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six ten and four sounds like the lottery

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numbers coming up and next on the

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skeptic zone lottery here we go the

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thirty sided here we go and it's coming

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to rest on number twenty-six I wonder if

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any of you got any of those probably of

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all the people listening I expect so but

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if somebody got all of them I would be

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absolutely gobsmacked because the

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chances are 36,000 you have a one in

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36,000 chance and getting all those four

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numbers good luck

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I wonder if you did it in the past in

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the future for both it's doing my head

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and I better run downstairs quickly very

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quickly and I think I'll just have a

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coffee and a bagel with a bit of salmon

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and cream cheese and avocado mmm bit of

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pepper I'll do that very quickly very

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quickly I'll run downstairs run straight

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back up to bring you the rest of the

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skeptic zone

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for the past almost nine years in fact

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will be nine years very soon of the

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sceptic zone the recurring theme if

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there is a recurring theme but from

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scepticism is the the crusade the fight

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the never-ending battle against the

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anti-vaccination crowd longtime skeptic

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zone listener certainly know that much

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of the show is taken up with this issue

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dr. Ricci is a leading campaigner Heidi

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Rivers vaccination supporters and many

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other people in between

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then indeed I made a documentary a

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couple of years back called the

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vaccination chronicles which we'll get

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to in a minute when I was a boy a young

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boy of a baby I receive the vaccinations

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available at the time chickenpox was not

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amongst them so I like many people of

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the era the mid to late 60s got

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chickenpox and kids were getting chicken

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box into the 70s and so on this was not

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an uncommon thing for kids to get and

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going back into the decades before that

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of course people got chickenpox as well

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in fact I think I've got a chicken pox

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scar on my nose or my mother used to

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tell me she would have known so a couple

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of days ago I woke up and my eye was a

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little bit itchy felt a bit odd bit

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itchy it's been like that before over

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the years usually lasts a day or two and

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then think nothing more of it so I

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didn't think much of it thought it was a

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bit odd that's all the next morning when

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I was a having a shower washing my hair

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I ran my hands through my hair and just

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just to below the hairline on the fart I

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felt these strange bumps so that's that

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coming right looked in the mirror and

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there were a few little bumps coming up

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ah some damn insect has bitten me in the

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night or maybe a spider or something

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little that's crawled and just given me

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a bite not well my I was still a bit

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sore too as a bit odd okay so that

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evening things are going around my head

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looking at the mirror these bites seemed

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to be getting worse which doesn't makes

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much sense and it was like a little

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jigsaw suddenly clicked in my head

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that I remembered that when I was making

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the vaccination Chronicles one of the

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things discussed was shingles which is a

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decades later result of having

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chickenpox the virus doesn't go away it

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lies dormant in the spinal cord and then

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for some inexplicable reason I don't

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think there's a satisfactory

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understanding of this it can be

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reactivated along a certain nerve and

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this one has been reactivated along the

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nerve which goes from my spine to my

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forward and down the side of my face

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past my eye when this occurred to me

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that this could be the case naturally I

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googled it like you do and I saw cases

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that looked exactly like what I had went

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to the doctor the very next morning as

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soon as I could who instantly confirm

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the diagnosis referred me straight away

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to an eye specialist because this the

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shingles are around my eye and naturally

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this this is when I started to get

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worried because people can go blind

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luckily for me the eye specialist has

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given me the all clear so far but I can

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tell you that this reoccurrence of the

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chickenpox after in the order of 50

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years since I had the disease is very

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nasty it's it's painful it slows you

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down you feel like you've got a flu

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although you don't have the other

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symptoms like the sneezing and then the

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stuffy head it's hard to to chew because

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of the when I chew down on the food it's

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painful on that side of the face the eye

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is swollen and it looks nasty and it's

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itchy and you don't want to get it you

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just do not want to get it so it's it's

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really hitting home to me now that these

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people who won't vaccinate their kids

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due to reasons largely based on the

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fringe conspiracy theories out there

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Farmar vaccines cause autism and the

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list goes on and on and on uh are

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potentially doing their children such a

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disservice even if their kids make it

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through fine in the early life and they

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get chickenpox maybe when they get the

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measles and they recover there's

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something nasty hidden in their bodies

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for decades and to think that this virus

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has been part of me ever since I can

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well before I can remember all my

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adventures all my travels all my ups and

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downs through life everything I've done

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every episode of the skeptic zone every

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day every night the virus has been lying

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within me just waiting to activate again

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now there's a likelihood that this won't

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reoccur from my limited research it

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seems that once you get shingles it is

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unlikely to come back but it does it can

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so people can have multiple instances of

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it there is a vaccine and as soon as

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this all clears up I'll have a chat with

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my GP and see if that's appropriate for

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me but I thought I'd play this little

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clip from the documentary the

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vaccination chronicles available free on

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YouTube and this sort of helped me come

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to the realization of this is what I

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might currently have when my brain was

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trying to make sense of these strange

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what I thought were bite marks and my

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sore eye so from the vaccination

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chronicles it's a short little layer a

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bridging bit by me followed by GP doctor

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the diseases we've been talking about

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can affect children for the rest of

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their lives even when all the symptoms

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are gone part of the disease can linger

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in the body for decades only to return

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later in life a very nasty visitor from

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the past one of our latest vaccines for

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newest vaccines has been the herpes

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zoster virus vaccine which is the

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purpose hasta is the virus that causes

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chickenpox and can recur later and come

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out as as shingles which is a rather

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nasty inflammation of the skin so

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children or people who are infected with

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chickenpox the teen pox virus after the

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illnesses over the chickenpox virus

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doesn't completely leave us it it hides

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in the in the roots of our nerves what's

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called the ganglia of the nerve so you

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have a nerve which goes to your

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fingertips a or to your chest and that

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nerve arises in your spinal cord and

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back near spinal cord there's the the

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nerve ganglia and so the the virus will

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retreat there until for some reason your

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immunity drops enough or something

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happens to you some stress or and the

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virus will then migrate along the nerve

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to where the nerve ends on your skin and

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burst through and attack your skin

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causing blistering and pain and a nasty

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rash and so you'll get a patch of a

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patch of blistered bird skin now this

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can be very unpleasant anywhere but it

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can sometimes occur on the face if it

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occurs on the face you can get scarring

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and disfigurement and it can even

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sometimes affect the eye and you can get

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herpes zoster in the eye and you can

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cause loss of vision there can be quite

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a nasty late consequence of of infant

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infection with say herpes zoster virus

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or chickenpox many people think of

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chickenpox as a benign illness all my

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family had it in the 50s 60s 70s and 80s

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and me and none of them had

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any problem well mostly that's the case

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but two things one is that there is

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still the odd case of herpes zoster

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pneumonia and children have died from

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herpes zoster lung infection when

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everyone thought they just had a you

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know the ordinary old chicken pox but

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then much later on when those same

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infected people reach their 60s 70s and

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80s they can burst out with the nasty

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dose of shingles and it's hoped that the

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herpes zoster virus by preventing

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chickenpox preventing the the actual

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seeding of these viruses into our nerves

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that we won't be susceptible to those

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bouts of shingles and later life so I

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guess the message from the skeptics over

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the past nine years and my message to

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you today is to eliminate these diseases

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in the first place from children via

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vaccinations can conceivably save people

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in their 50s and 60s and 70s your

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children one day from potentially losing

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their sight or at least not very least

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having a very nasty time with painful

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blisters and feeling very unwell indeed

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the vaccination Chronicles video is free

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for viewing on YouTube just Google the

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vaccination Chronicles and you'll find

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it as for me I'm on the the drugs

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recommended by the GP and I'm feeling or

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slightly better by now and I hope to

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you

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is this photo making the rounds real or

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skeptics website at www.att.com/biz

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seventeen edith cowan university

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bans crystal healing training seminars

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edith cowan university has decided to

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ban training seminars on crystal healing

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from its campus the seminars have

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apparently been running on the

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university ground since 2011 and the

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next one was due to take place on June

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the 25th but in response to queries from

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Australian skeptics Inc ECU

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vice-chancellor professor Steve Chapman

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said that quote we have written to the

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organization and requested that they

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remove all reference to these events on

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their website we will not be accepting

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any booking requests from this

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organization or related organizations in

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the future been quick he added that

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quote after conducting a thorough

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interrogation of our venue a booking

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system we have been unable to identify

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any bookings for this particular event

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or any future events of this nature

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unquote this may be because the seminars

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might have been under the name of the

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master Life Center which runs the events

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and offers a range of crystal healing

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services we have suggested the

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University look into the possibility to

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ensure that the events do not still run

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under a different name these seminars

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were designed to teach would-be health

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practitioners how to do pranic crystal

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healing at the seminars quote you will

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learn how to harness the power of one of

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mother nature's precious gifts crystals

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and gemstones which you can use to

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enhance your healing ability

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spirituality and prosperity men quote

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among the topics covered increasing your

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healing power by 200 times or more by

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using special crystals extracting

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negative emotions and diseased energies

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from your aura

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quickly and easily creating personal

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barriers and shields so you don't have

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to absorb your patients diseas'd

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energies when healing good grief the

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NamUs The Life Center in Perth is

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managed by husband-and-wife team Dean

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and Sandy toss Dean Tallis is also a

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change management console

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to businesses diseas'd energy they that

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update comes to us from the website of

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it's brouhaha with Ben Lewis if you're

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going to hack a device a pacemaker might

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not be the first one that comes to mind

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but it could be the easiest it turns out

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there are over 8,000 security

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vulnerabilities in common devices

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exposing them to hacking it's actually

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hack a pacemaker needs get pretty close

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to the person probably in the same room

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but that doesn't make the possibility

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any less real or any less scary

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the most dramatic reasons to hack one

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are to assassinate a person or hold them

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to ransom but it's more likely to be

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used for identity theft as pacemakers

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and other medical devices contain a

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wealth of personal information in the

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mad rush for a hyper-connected future

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it's apparently way too easy to forget

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about basic security there's only a

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small amount of medical device makers

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install any security features at all

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this is the canary in the coal miner in

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a rush to make things work better faster

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and more conveniently let's not forget

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the basics of device security because

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the hackers sure way

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for more brouhaha and australian science

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greetings listeners

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it's me Captain disillusion on my

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disillusion aye captain disillusion

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analysed viral videos of the strange and

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unbelievable I explained how interframe

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video compression 3d motion tracking and

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stock the effects elements prove that

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Justin Bieber is not a secret reptilian

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alien that those videos of ghost cars

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are just unintentional optical illusions

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and that lightning did not strike a few

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feet away from a girl on a beach as we

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saw in the news I'm real fun at parties

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my best friend is a lens flare eat a

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dimmer switch disillusion I dunno other

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a patron of my work you can do all that

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[Music]

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this is susan gerbic from the guerrilla

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skepticism on wikipedia speaking live

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from the Monterey Bay Aquarium in

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Monterey California I am visiting the

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Monterey Bay Aquarium because I live

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about a half an hour from here and I

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think that it's real important that we

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come out to these things and Sam once in

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a while any kind of location you can go

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to museums they really need our support

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because a lot of the museums especially

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the little local museums like a Oh a

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lighthouse or aura or a historical home

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may be the first mayor's house or

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something like that

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there they're dropping they're dropping

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off and they're their money I mean they

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don't get a lot of money for that if

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we're not in here in the United States

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we don't get money for historical homes

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so easily lists are extremely popular

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and what's happening in a lot of the

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museums is they're having to go to the

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paranormal route which means that

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they're inviting in Ghost Hunters

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they're making up stories or you know

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elaborating on stories with people

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hearing creaks and seeing something

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spooky and they're doing this because

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that's how you get the money people come

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in they want to see the ghosts I've

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talked to lots of people at different

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places and they say that they more than

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half of the people who they actually

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come in and ask questions want to know

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about those and so I think a lot of

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places are having to find go that route

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and it's really really sad because the

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history of locations is so important

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like for example the Stanley Hotel in

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Colorado The Shining was written I

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believe it was written there or he was

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inspired by it or whatever but it is

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it's really really pushing the ghosts

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Ingle they have a psychic on on at the

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area they also have ghost hunting tours

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to get some more views more tours than

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the actual

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in history of the museum which is

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extending of the hotel which is really

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really interesting the Stanley Steamer

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was invented there by two brothers they

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also used to make violins and do some

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pretty amazing things so the stanley

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museum was really really interesting but

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the ghost tours are the one to get the

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biggest facts the other problem is well

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when I was in Sydney visiting the

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Australian on my Australian to her in

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2015 I went to a convict Museum down

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there

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sort of near the Opera House in Sydney

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it's called

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oh my gosh I can't think of what it's

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called at the second but I went there a

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couple different times as I found it

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they have a lot of really great exhibits

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that shows the history of the convicts

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that came to the Sydney Harbor and one

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of the things that they had there was an

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exhibit devoted just to the rats because

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the rats are actually the curators of

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the museum because the rats would take

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little small items like pins and matches

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and and buttons and coins and jewelry

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and they would take it and they would

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put it in their nests underneath the the

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museum and it was so interesting to see

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what the rats collected over the years

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that when they restored the building

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they were able to pull up all these

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little bits and bobs and I told the

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history of the museum but also they are

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still going the paranormal route and

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they've invited in some ghost groups to

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do some paranormal investigations there

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because they need the money I really

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really feel sorry for him but that's

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kind of the world we live in right now

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the paranormal is what sells and not the

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history or the beauty or the historical

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sad the only thing I can think of to do

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about it is to improve the Wikipedia

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pages for these for these places and

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that's what I did with that museum that

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I'd seen in Sydney so that people will

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maybe want to go and see the place just

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for its historical volume take lots of

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photos that's nice

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sharing on your social media share live

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videos when you go and people should

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just go to places and look at them and

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give your dollars and check in on

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Facebook or Twitter so other people who

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want to go this is susan gerbic the

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guerrilla skepticism on Wikipedia

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speaking live from the Monterey Bay

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it never ends

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a friend starts talking about his new

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Reiki Master and someone else posts

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about another all-natural cancer cure

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that they don't want you to know about

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as skeptics we dedicate a lot of time

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trying to protect those around us but

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there's a way you can reach millions the

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realist skepticism on Wikipedia is a

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group that is working to keep the best

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skeptical information at everyone's

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skepticism the time is now music by

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it's the raw skeptic report with Heidi

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Robertson hello everyone Heidi Robertson

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here from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters in the Australian

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on May the 24th 2017 by Julie hare the

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title is anti-vaxxer putting her new PhD

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to good effect

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armed with a new PhD from the University

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of Wollongong anti vaccination

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campaigner Judy why Lehman has lashed

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out at a West Australian journalist who

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questioned the science behind a new

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documentary on supposedly between

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vaccines and autism in an email to

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Wollongong University public and

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population health professor Heather

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Yeatman and Alison Jones its executive

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Dean of science medicine and health dr.

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Wylie Minh requests they remove

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information from the University website

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quote about the safety and efficacy of

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vaccines end quote

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dr. Waldman said I ask that you remove

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this promotion to ensure that there is

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an open and transparent debate on the

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academic literature dr. wahrman attached

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the email she had sent to Kathy O'Leary

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the medical editor with the West

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Australian newspaper countering an

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article she had written on a new film

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called faxed that links vaccinations

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with autism in it she writes quote this

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film is not anti vaccination it provides

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evidence of the cover-up of the

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scientific literature that demonstrates

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that vaccines specifically the MMR

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vaccine are a cause of autism the link

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between vaccines and autism has not been

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discredited and this is described in my

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PhD thesis published on the University

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of Wollongong website end quote

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dr. Weil Eamon was conferred her PhD

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which warned that global agencies

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including the World Health Organization

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were colluding with the pharmaceuticals

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industry to inappropriately push

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vaccinations earlier this year amid

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heightened security as graduation

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organizers anticipated and outcry from

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protesters iran's agaev president of

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australian sceptics told the HS that

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with a PhD under her belt dr. Waldman

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was showing heightened confidence in the

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dozens of emails she bombarded opponents

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with quote the University of Wollongong

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has brought this upon themselves by

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signing up a PhD student on a topic of

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scientific grounding to be grounded in

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the Faculty of Social Sciences without

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adequate control mr. cigar said he went

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on to say the university allowed the

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conditions that let a clearly flawed PhD

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to be granted end quote

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the university declined to comment in

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her email to mrs. O'Leary dr. Wiley man

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claims that quote over 130 peer-reviewed

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studies show vaccines are a plausible

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cause of autism and vaccines enters for

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Disease Control and Prevention were

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asked to destroy the evidence they found

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in their 2004 study that proved the MMR

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vaccine causes autism the addition of

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each vaccine to the schedule correlates

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to the fivefold increase in

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life-threatening chronic illness and

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autoimmune diseases in Australian

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children since 1990 and quote that's the

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end of the article and last I checked

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there were four comments underneath the

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article from the general public

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first comment reads having read while

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Eamon's thesis I and probably any other

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balanced minded person would like to see

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some comments of the contents of the

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actual thesis

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so far all I see is ad hominem arguments

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boring and the second one dr. wily man's

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PhD is an indictment of the University

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of Wollongong and of her supervisor

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professor Brian Martin not only does it

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rob all the university's social science

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degrees and PhDs of credibility it also

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shows that the university's

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vice-chancellor is incapable of

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acknowledging and correcting an

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inexcusable error small wonder

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university experts are becoming

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universally distrusted and the next one

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who on earth did the peer review of her

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thesis and the final comment as a

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medical researcher all I can say is what

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credibility does the University of

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Wollongong have in awarding a PhD on a

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topic which has no scientific validity

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and that's all from me for this week

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this has been

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Heidi Robertson from the Northern Rivers

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vaccination supporters WWN our VSD info

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and you can also find us on facebook and

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twitter thanks for listening bye for now

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[Music]

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hey Kenny oh hi Tom my safest park yeah

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yes hate weather oh look a unicorn

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unicorn there are no such things as

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unicorns silly

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yes there is no there isn't hey guys

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what are you arguing about

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tom thinks unicorns are real they so are

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let's look this up in the skeptics

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dictionary now what how can we do this

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in this bar there is no computer here

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you guys probably don't know about the

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access all of the great skeptics

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dictionary articles when you're on the

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go here let me look up unicorns down

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cool

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Kenny prepare to be proven wrong it says

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here the Unicorn is a creature from

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fables aha actually I see now that

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someone just dumped their ice cream cone

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on that horse's head thanks skeptics

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here's my not spooky action at the

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and welcome to skeptics in the pub every

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first Thursday of the month at the

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Occidental hotel here in scenic Wynyard

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where if I look out the window I can see

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in office wow that person is really

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gonna get a promotion I'm speaking to

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someone who has got high in the

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corporate ladder now in fact if you just

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do anything she's in charge of it

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hello Jessica hi may not how are you I'm

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pretty good because you're on the you're

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on the yield one of the shadowy elite of

817
00:39:57,020 --> 00:39:55,530
the skeptical world that's right and as

818
00:39:58,819 --> 00:39:57,030
a member of the shadowy elite of the

819
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,829
skeptics of Australia you will be

820
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:00,119
perfect to answer tonight's question

821
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:03,300
which is if psychics are so sure their

822
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:05,010
ability why don't they step forward more

823
00:40:09,500 --> 00:40:07,410
often to claim the million dollar and in

824
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:09,510
Australia the $10,000 prize for being

825
00:40:13,390 --> 00:40:11,190
able to demonstrate some paranormal

826
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:13,400
ability yeah well I think it's actually

827
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,990
$100,000 in Australia yeah go on up just

828
00:40:19,339 --> 00:40:17,520
in the last few minutes that's amazing

829
00:40:22,700 --> 00:40:19,349
and not inconsiderable sum of money

830
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:22,710
however I would postulate that I hope

831
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:24,300
you can postulate people listen closely

832
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:26,750
have you got children hold their ears as

833
00:40:32,569 --> 00:40:30,569
one of the shadowy shadowy elite of the

834
00:40:34,930 --> 00:40:32,579
Australian skeptics meteors may not

835
00:40:38,359 --> 00:40:34,940
point it out one of the one of those

836
00:40:40,250 --> 00:40:38,369
rarefied Illuminati eye one of the

837
00:40:41,780 --> 00:40:40,260
insiders that's right I turn into a

838
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:41,790
lizard each night and crawl out crawl

839
00:40:48,109 --> 00:40:43,290
into my burrow and curl up

840
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:48,119
I would postulate that many many

841
00:40:53,950 --> 00:40:51,390
psychics have very successful businesses

842
00:40:57,559 --> 00:40:53,960
yes they do so they probably don't need

843
00:40:59,359 --> 00:40:57,569
$100,000 well there's that and look up

844
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:59,369
my opinion is that they think the whole

845
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,780
thing's rigged against them and that's

846
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,880
why they don't do it or they think that

847
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:04,560
you can't test these kind of things or

848
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:06,000
they think that their ability is unique

849
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:08,220
and can't quite be tested by science

850
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:10,440
witches its own religion and won't admit

851
00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:11,940
them there's a couple of ideas I would

852
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:15,000
think oh absolutely and they come up

853
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:20,040
with all of those excuses for as a

854
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:23,940
reason or reasons not to be tested but

855
00:41:29,660 --> 00:41:27,569
really um I think it's like why would

856
00:41:30,579 --> 00:41:29,670
they bother $100,000 would be small

857
00:41:33,849 --> 00:41:30,589
change

858
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:33,859
okay I've heard a few times and Jessica

859
00:41:38,739 --> 00:41:36,650
Adams the astrologer she she says that

860
00:41:42,009 --> 00:41:38,749
that realm isn't for us to make money

861
00:41:43,779 --> 00:41:42,019
you see so it wouldn't be for psychics

862
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:43,789
to make money from their ability so

863
00:41:46,809 --> 00:41:45,410
obviously is that but when you think

864
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:46,819
about if they have a business they are

865
00:41:53,289 --> 00:41:50,749
making money from it well if you if you

866
00:41:56,259 --> 00:41:53,299
call a psychic and on a phone line and

867
00:41:58,539 --> 00:41:56,269
you you know find out how much you have

868
00:42:00,849 --> 00:41:58,549
to pay per minute to actually speak to

869
00:42:03,279 --> 00:42:00,859
them mmm I think they're making a fair

870
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:03,289
bit mmm and and of course if you but if

871
00:42:06,849 --> 00:42:05,210
you ask them for the winning a lot of

872
00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:06,859
numbers one of the reasons that they

873
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:09,049
can't well maybe things aren't fixed in

874
00:42:11,799 --> 00:42:10,430
the future would be an answer but then

875
00:42:13,930 --> 00:42:11,809
again that would invalidate what they're

876
00:42:15,009 --> 00:42:13,940
doing and then I would say well you're

877
00:42:18,219 --> 00:42:15,019
not really supposed to make money from

878
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:18,229
this but they are yeah you're right yeah

879
00:42:22,029 --> 00:42:20,329
I suppose I suppose what they'd say is

880
00:42:26,019 --> 00:42:22,039
that they're making money from providing

881
00:42:31,089 --> 00:42:26,029
the service but then their service is

882
00:42:34,059 --> 00:42:31,099
not intended to allow people to benefit

883
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:34,069
financially even though they are even

884
00:42:36,789 --> 00:42:35,690
though they are yes they were like

885
00:42:40,299 --> 00:42:36,799
they're allowed to benefit financially

886
00:42:42,700 --> 00:42:40,309
because they're providing a service at

887
00:42:44,709 --> 00:42:42,710
which they charge for but providing the

888
00:42:46,749 --> 00:42:44,719
lotto numbers and they forget it

889
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:46,759
what about the sort of counselling they

890
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:48,140
give people when they talk to people but

891
00:42:52,329 --> 00:42:49,729
even if they are called reading people

892
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:52,339
they are helping people in some way yeah

893
00:42:56,829 --> 00:42:54,170
I've heard that argument too and and

894
00:43:00,329 --> 00:42:56,839
people have said to me that psychics are

895
00:43:02,829 --> 00:43:00,339
really the poor man's psychiatrists do

896
00:43:05,969 --> 00:43:02,839
and you know skeptics have quite a

897
00:43:07,989 --> 00:43:05,979
reputation as they say as they say nay

898
00:43:09,700 --> 00:43:07,999
yeah like like it's a whole negative

899
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,710
thing going on that's also why they

900
00:43:13,479 --> 00:43:11,119
can't be just because skeptics are

901
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:13,489
negative cos are open to it we kill the

902
00:43:18,609 --> 00:43:17,359
vibe hmm we do we kill the vibe if it's

903
00:43:21,940 --> 00:43:18,619
if it's

904
00:43:24,670 --> 00:43:21,950
real scientifically measurable form of

905
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:24,680
energy then nothing should kill it I

906
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:28,640
mean a skeptic will walk neck near a

907
00:43:33,099 --> 00:43:31,160
phone or a computer and our skeptical

908
00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:33,109
energy doesn't suddenly stop those

909
00:43:38,620 --> 00:43:34,789
things from working what if it's an

910
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:38,630
energy that you can't measure yet well

911
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:42,410
as we say there's a Nobel Peace Prize in

912
00:43:47,650 --> 00:43:45,490
it for anyone who can manage to prove it

913
00:43:49,089 --> 00:43:47,660
yeah looking of course when you're the

914
00:43:50,620 --> 00:43:49,099
BART the skeptics at the pub first

915
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:50,630
Thursday of each month that by the way

916
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:52,130
richardsaunders cannot be here tonight

917
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:54,410
he's protecting his secret identity as

918
00:43:58,690 --> 00:43:56,630
one of Catwoman's henchmen if you watch

919
00:44:00,370 --> 00:43:58,700
any episode of the 1966 Batman you'll

920
00:44:01,660 --> 00:44:00,380
see Richard Saunders as one of Julie

921
00:44:04,029 --> 00:44:01,670
Newmar henchmen he's in every almost

922
00:44:05,799 --> 00:44:04,039
every episode oh hello dr. Brad how are

923
00:44:08,319 --> 00:44:05,809
you hello have you just outed Richmond

924
00:44:09,999 --> 00:44:08,329
rich I've added Richard Saunders as a

925
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:10,009
henchman of Catwoman but I've got to say

926
00:44:12,579 --> 00:44:11,180
if you've got to be a henchman of

927
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:12,589
someone that's kind of the coolest one

928
00:44:16,329 --> 00:44:14,930
as long as you're wearing PVC or latex

929
00:44:18,009 --> 00:44:16,339
that's right and cat ears yeah

930
00:44:19,870 --> 00:44:18,019
definitely you called me here on the

931
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:19,880
t-shirt and look I know you've come from

932
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:21,920
your Batcave with your secret identity

933
00:44:27,789 --> 00:44:25,609
is Robin now tell me now why do you

934
00:44:30,130 --> 00:44:27,799
think psychics haven't stepped up and

935
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:30,140
claim the million-dollar prize well I

936
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:32,180
think it's hard to prove that they were

937
00:44:37,749 --> 00:44:35,119
the the one that has been able to

938
00:44:39,069 --> 00:44:37,759
predict the future often when we look at

939
00:44:41,859 --> 00:44:39,079
things that sort of predicted a hundred

940
00:44:44,109 --> 00:44:41,869
things at once so it's sort of a bit of

941
00:44:45,940 --> 00:44:44,119
odds so if they come back and say yep

942
00:44:48,009 --> 00:44:45,950
I've got one thing right but they've got

943
00:44:51,609 --> 00:44:48,019
99 things wrong then it doesn't quite

944
00:44:53,170 --> 00:44:51,619
beat with your scientific skeptical mind

945
00:44:54,489 --> 00:44:53,180
how would you assess a test for them if

946
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:54,499
someone came forward how do you reckon

947
00:44:59,229 --> 00:44:56,450
you'd run it there are many tests that

948
00:45:02,019 --> 00:44:59,239
are that James Randi has done to check

949
00:45:05,259 --> 00:45:02,029
out whether site whether psychics can

950
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:05,269
can can be producing the truth or not so

951
00:45:12,279 --> 00:45:08,089
I would refer to all of Randy's work and

952
00:45:13,539 --> 00:45:12,289
I'd bring him in I'm on next to someone

953
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:13,549
who made truly but a front row seat

954
00:45:15,849 --> 00:45:15,049
tonight who they got here this evening

955
00:45:17,799 --> 00:45:15,859
Lara

956
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:17,809
hello how you been how you catch going

957
00:45:21,579 --> 00:45:20,210
you're not they're going good good a to

958
00:45:23,050 --> 00:45:21,589
cat owner that you've got quite a

959
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,060
handful the avenue yes

960
00:45:26,890 --> 00:45:25,520
and by the way their rescue cats so when

961
00:45:28,300 --> 00:45:26,900
you get rescue cats homes you just let

962
00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:28,310
them go and they find a place they want

963
00:45:30,910 --> 00:45:29,630
to hang out for a while then they come

964
00:45:32,260 --> 00:45:30,920
out when they're ready is that what you

965
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:32,270
do with a new cat that's a rescue cat

966
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:34,370
yeah these two in particular are

967
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:36,770
difficult because they were going to be

968
00:45:40,060 --> 00:45:38,690
difficult and we're go they are the vet

969
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:40,070
left my house the other day bleeding

970
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:42,560
let's put it that way all right exactly

971
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:44,690
things on their schedule yes but they

972
00:45:48,940 --> 00:45:47,030
have in one week they have made immense

973
00:45:50,170 --> 00:45:48,950
progress they're coming near me I still

974
00:45:50,830 --> 00:45:50,180
can't touch them but they're coming near

975
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:50,840
me

976
00:45:53,890 --> 00:45:52,370
so I'm actually quite surprised at the

977
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:53,900
progress they've made and speaking of

978
00:45:56,740 --> 00:45:55,190
progress how you're feeling having two

979
00:45:58,780 --> 00:45:56,750
cats around because you must be enjoying

980
00:45:59,860 --> 00:45:58,790
that very nice yet I can't wait for the

981
00:46:01,840 --> 00:45:59,870
school holidays where I get to spend

982
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,850
some proper time with them yeah know

983
00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:03,200
what we've been watching here was

984
00:46:06,490 --> 00:46:05,420
watching some people doing some CPR on

985
00:46:08,500 --> 00:46:06,500
the dummy over there did you learn

986
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:08,510
anything from watching this tonight I'm

987
00:46:11,530 --> 00:46:09,770
well actually because I'm a teacher

988
00:46:14,980 --> 00:46:11,540
we're required to do this training once

989
00:46:17,290 --> 00:46:14,990
a year anyway we last time I had to do

990
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,300
it I had to we still having to do the

991
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:20,240
rescue breaths thing which I was crap I

992
00:46:23,980 --> 00:46:22,130
could not get these lungs inflating I

993
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,990
was the last one how about I wish you

994
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:25,280
haven't got being like big lunge

995
00:46:29,500 --> 00:46:27,050
ourselves I don't think I could get the

996
00:46:32,650 --> 00:46:29,510
seal over the mouth properly I blame it

997
00:46:34,210 --> 00:46:32,660
on the dummy yeah Edie you do and so do

998
00:46:35,980 --> 00:46:34,220
you know any teacher that's ever had to

999
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:35,990
do this I mean it'd be very rare event

1000
00:46:40,420 --> 00:46:38,180
in a school or not I'm fairly certain at

1001
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:40,430
least one of the guys at school has yes

1002
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:42,260
and one of the PE teachers our schools

1003
00:46:46,090 --> 00:46:43,970
very very sporty so there's a lot of

1004
00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:46,100
teenage boys on the field so I'm pretty

1005
00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:47,240
sure at least one of them has had to do

1006
00:46:49,870 --> 00:46:48,320
it yet

1007
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:49,880
okay well what other question were

1008
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:51,830
asking tonight on a skeptical level ISM

1009
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,630
why do you think psychics haven't

1010
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:55,280
stepped forward to claim the prize is

1011
00:46:59,260 --> 00:46:56,990
offered by the Australian skeptics or

1012
00:47:00,490 --> 00:46:59,270
Randi for their their paranormal

1013
00:47:02,590 --> 00:47:00,500
abilities why do you think they don't

1014
00:47:03,850 --> 00:47:02,600
step forward a bit more often I'm off I

1015
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:03,860
was about to say they do step forward

1016
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:08,450
but they obviously fail they I think

1017
00:47:11,950 --> 00:47:10,610
after I mean this is just my opinion I

1018
00:47:14,050 --> 00:47:11,960
think after a few of them had step

1019
00:47:16,420 --> 00:47:14,060
forward and failed then I think the

1020
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:16,430
others they make all sorts of things up

1021
00:47:21,310 --> 00:47:18,170
about why it doesn't work and why the

1022
00:47:23,380 --> 00:47:21,320
tests aren't fair so I think that

1023
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:23,390
spreads around the community and then

1024
00:47:26,950 --> 00:47:25,250
they all they all just think I know I

1025
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:26,960
don't want to do that and then they make

1026
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:28,490
up other things like I'm not in it for

1027
00:47:33,010 --> 00:47:29,170
the money

1028
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:33,020
silly excuses yeah I might have a crack

1029
00:47:35,290 --> 00:47:34,010
at that I don't know if I'm going to be

1030
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:35,300
strong enough to do that but I'll give

1031
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:39,650
it a go yeah give it a go Alethea is

1032
00:48:03,250 --> 00:47:41,330
just step forward to give it a go here

1033
00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:08,800
just watch but sure John thank you God

1034
00:48:32,630 --> 00:48:31,460
is that exhausting no actually we're

1035
00:48:34,579 --> 00:48:32,640
live on the scene here now

1036
00:48:35,900 --> 00:48:34,589
Alif is doing some CPR there how would

1037
00:48:36,799 --> 00:48:35,910
you describe how she's going she's

1038
00:48:39,289 --> 00:48:36,809
fantastic

1039
00:48:40,579 --> 00:48:39,299
this person will live absolutely was it

1040
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:40,589
really necessary for you to give her a

1041
00:48:44,839 --> 00:48:42,569
Heimlich while she was trying to give

1042
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,849
CPR that that's not helping anybody I

1043
00:48:48,799 --> 00:48:46,680
was giving her more gravitational

1044
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:48,809
assistance oh okay by picking her up and

1045
00:48:52,099 --> 00:48:49,890
that's why she actually put the patient

1046
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:52,109
on the floor so if you ever have a CPR

1047
00:48:55,549 --> 00:48:54,089
patient sits on a table could you try

1048
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:55,559
and get him onto the floor solutely if

1049
00:48:59,299 --> 00:48:58,170
you think you can absolutely and it may

1050
00:49:01,549 --> 00:48:59,309
I ask you if you've ever had to

1051
00:49:03,980 --> 00:49:01,559
unfortunately do this I have yes okay

1052
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,990
and obviously us civilians would find it

1053
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:05,760
very traumatic but does it ever get

1054
00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:07,650
routine for someone in a hospital I've

1055
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:09,539
not done enough for it to be routine and

1056
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:10,680
I've only ever done it in a hospital

1057
00:49:13,789 --> 00:49:12,119
setting I think if I done it outside of

1058
00:49:17,180 --> 00:49:13,799
a hospital it would probably screw me up

1059
00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:17,190
more than otherwise yes I know I was

1060
00:49:20,420 --> 00:49:18,750
talking about the Lucas device earlier

1061
00:49:21,950 --> 00:49:20,430
there which is a device you don't see as

1062
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:21,960
much in Australia I tried to get the New

1063
00:49:24,740 --> 00:49:23,400
South Wales ambulance service to make

1064
00:49:26,539 --> 00:49:24,750
some comment on it but I couldn't get

1065
00:49:28,579 --> 00:49:26,549
them to answer we've definitely got them

1066
00:49:31,789 --> 00:49:28,589
yeah we have them we have them at our PA

1067
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:31,799
and camperdown and I don't think that's

1068
00:49:36,349 --> 00:49:33,270
just an us thing I'm pretty sure that

1069
00:49:38,269 --> 00:49:36,359
they are out there but yeah they are new

1070
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:38,279
to the market down here and that is a

1071
00:49:42,410 --> 00:49:39,930
device that is basically something that

1072
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,420
can mechanically gives compressions and

1073
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:43,920
does it actually do a reading while it's

1074
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:46,140
doing it so it can alter its rate or not

1075
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:47,970
it never alters right it has to give it

1076
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,650
a hundred rate so it's got to have

1077
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,119
someone with it to see what's going on

1078
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:53,160
well but it does it all automatically so

1079
00:49:56,269 --> 00:49:54,690
what that enables you to do as a

1080
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,279
paramedic is that will give you

1081
00:49:59,539 --> 00:49:58,079
compressions you're not knuckling your

1082
00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:59,549
arms out so you can do things like you

1083
00:50:02,660 --> 00:50:01,410
can get a line into the patient you can

1084
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:02,670
have a look at the breathing because

1085
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:04,049
obviously your paramedics are more able

1086
00:50:08,269 --> 00:50:06,510
to give proper rescue breaths pre-race

1087
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,279
is a very interesting question this very

1088
00:50:12,380 --> 00:50:10,079
famous person has had some life after

1089
00:50:14,180 --> 00:50:12,390
experience life after death experiences

1090
00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,190
and they were claiming that in a medical

1091
00:50:20,089 --> 00:50:16,380
unit in New York they had a Lucas unit

1092
00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:20,099
on them for quite a length of time now

1093
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:22,049
do you have one on for a person for

1094
00:50:25,009 --> 00:50:23,430
minutes and minutes and maybe even a

1095
00:50:25,459 --> 00:50:25,019
half hour on inflating what are you

1096
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:25,469
would would you

1097
00:50:29,479 --> 00:50:28,049
solutely yeah and so what can happen a

1098
00:50:31,519 --> 00:50:29,489
lot of times so and there's a device

1099
00:50:32,809 --> 00:50:31,529
called an ECMO it's a line that goes

1100
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:32,819
straight into you and it alternates the

1101
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:33,690
blood outside the body

1102
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:35,369
Mangia straight into it does the work of

1103
00:50:38,299 --> 00:50:37,079
your heart so a lot of the time what

1104
00:50:39,799 --> 00:50:38,309
they can do is they have a Lucas on the

1105
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,809
patient while they're putting the ECMO

1106
00:50:43,849 --> 00:50:41,359
in so it can be on you there's no

1107
00:50:46,009 --> 00:50:43,859
there's no realistic limit to come on

1108
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:46,019
you however obviously there are

1109
00:50:50,539 --> 00:50:49,170
realistic right if exactly okay so yes

1110
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:50,549
because I wondered why you would have it

1111
00:50:53,479 --> 00:50:52,079
on for so long but if there was a it was

1112
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:53,489
a young person there was a chance of

1113
00:50:55,939 --> 00:50:54,630
recovering there wasn't anything else

1114
00:50:57,769 --> 00:50:55,949
going on they would give it a go if it

1115
00:50:59,479 --> 00:50:57,779
was a sudden cardiac arrest on a sports

1116
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:59,489
field you would have that on them for as

1117
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,319
long as it takes and that's the thing as

1118
00:51:05,749 --> 00:51:03,839
well is that there has been some studies

1119
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:05,759
to come out that say that we give up

1120
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:07,880
CPR maybe sooner than we should

1121
00:51:11,660 --> 00:51:09,930
obviously in certain circumstances say

1122
00:51:13,489 --> 00:51:11,670
it was a 19 year old football player

1123
00:51:15,289 --> 00:51:13,499
mm-hmm we're gonna keep that on for as

1124
00:51:17,479 --> 00:51:15,299
long as we can and as you can see it's

1125
00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:17,489
exhausting to actually do it yeah I'm

1126
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,660
gonna give it a go in a minute but I got

1127
00:51:22,009 --> 00:51:20,160
a feeling that puny old knees not going

1128
00:51:23,209 --> 00:51:22,019
to be very good at this you know I say

1129
00:51:24,439 --> 00:51:23,219
you need to give it a go because I

1130
00:51:25,939 --> 00:51:24,449
reckon you're surprised yourself

1131
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:25,949
oh yeah I'll give it a go in just a

1132
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:27,390
moment I just think of the Bee Gees ah

1133
00:51:29,779 --> 00:51:28,380
yes

1134
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:29,789
yeah I saw staying alive and I thought

1135
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:31,140
great she's gonna be talking about

1136
00:51:35,089 --> 00:51:32,190
everything from Spicks and specks

1137
00:51:37,039 --> 00:51:35,099
through the mine disaster 1941 I have a

1138
00:51:38,539 --> 00:51:37,049
heaven musically you have everything

1139
00:51:40,370 --> 00:51:38,549
through to staying alive but no it was

1140
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:40,380
just something on bloody CPR I'm very

1141
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:40,890
sorry

1142
00:51:44,449 --> 00:51:43,140
now you put a little you do radiography

1143
00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,459
where you can see what's going on in

1144
00:51:49,009 --> 00:51:46,859
people's hearts there um when I see that

1145
00:51:51,109 --> 00:51:49,019
I think how painful that would be but we

1146
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:51,119
don't feel that doing the thing you feel

1147
00:51:54,019 --> 00:51:52,650
is the needle going in and sometimes you

1148
00:51:56,299 --> 00:51:54,029
feel a thing up your arm and everything

1149
00:51:58,189 --> 00:51:56,309
going up there no some patients kind of

1150
00:52:01,609 --> 00:51:58,199
said they can they're aware of it but

1151
00:52:02,989 --> 00:52:01,619
they don't big lips right I mean can you

1152
00:52:04,489 --> 00:52:02,999
have meds when you're doing it there can

1153
00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:04,499
you have belly all good okay now I might

1154
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:06,420
seem some of this I would I'm just gonna

1155
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:08,130
put this whole microphone okay I'm gonna

1156
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:09,450
I'm just I don't know

1157
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:12,710
don't know how okay so sleeves up right

1158
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:18,210
okay okay now I think serious so let's

1159
00:52:22,609 --> 00:52:20,250
get going okay so do I start now right

1160
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:22,619
now then I wanted hand on the bottom all

1161
00:52:27,230 --> 00:52:24,990
right yeah okay I read it rest is like

1162
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:27,240
another Hellfire already okay okay like

1163
00:52:33,859 --> 00:52:29,550
that and then the other fingers like

1164
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,869
that like that using the heel of that

1165
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:35,579
hand so I told the write down what we're

1166
00:52:38,930 --> 00:52:36,810
doing so we're not doing using both

1167
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:38,940
atria you are but you want your dominant

1168
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:39,960
hand underneath because that's the one

1169
00:52:42,859 --> 00:52:41,609
that you can leave it Rodya you're

1170
00:52:45,500 --> 00:52:42,869
keeping your elbows as straight as you

1171
00:52:47,780 --> 00:52:45,510
can and you're using your body weight to

1172
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,790
lean let's do it on the floor instead

1173
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,619
I'll do it on the book is my coma as

1174
00:53:02,060 --> 00:52:53,040
easier on scary yes I said that was not

1175
00:53:07,590 --> 00:53:02,070
a goodie okay liming is that one does

1176
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:12,190
that's it the two or three minutes or as

1177
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:14,180
long as it takes until you get tired and

1178
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:15,530
until someone else can come along and

1179
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,570
take over okay right so with this have

1180
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:19,760
broken the person's rib by now you'd had

1181
00:53:28,350 --> 00:53:21,530
a good crunch on the bass girls right so

1182
00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:30,310
and probably when you're doing this

1183
00:53:33,460 --> 00:53:32,150
probably best to get tunnel vision and

1184
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:33,470
don't even think about the person at all

1185
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:34,610
but you don't want to be watching the

1186
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:36,680
rest of the nail you don't want FF yeah

1187
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:38,190
just get it done exactly

1188
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:40,410
go into a robot mode okay so he's now

1189
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:42,780
saying stop CPR Wow so we're going to

1190
00:53:47,450 --> 00:53:45,630
analyze the patient okay yeah okay yes

1191
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:47,460
and he's gonna maybe ask for a shot

1192
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:50,220
yes shock right Michael Jackson had a

1193
00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:53,250
conveyor belt to do that walk goodbye so

1194
00:53:58,670 --> 00:53:57,060
she makes me and stand back there you go

1195
00:54:00,050 --> 00:53:58,680
the patient that's the first time I've

1196
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:00,060
ever done work on anybody had never

1197
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:03,210
lived I do mean to say that oh look and

1198
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,500
also the whole thing about clearing

1199
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,760
their mouth and doing the mouth mouth

1200
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,960
resuscitation everyone thinks that's

1201
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:08,520
really icky I'm thinking I'll grate Hep

1202
00:54:13,130 --> 00:54:10,950
B a B and C you can get from that is

1203
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:13,140
yeah all of those ones do um but you

1204
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:14,400
don't you said you don't have to do that

1205
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:16,200
if that's what's putting you off giving

1206
00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:19,260
CPR don't worry about it if you are if

1207
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:20,730
you've had the training and you're you

1208
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:22,110
are adequately trained in how to give it

1209
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:23,850
and if you have access to say an Ambu

1210
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:25,170
bag which these little masks that we've

1211
00:54:28,700 --> 00:54:27,570
got here and there are enough of you

1212
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:28,710
that's the other thing as well as if

1213
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:31,200
it's only you just go with hands only if

1214
00:54:35,420 --> 00:54:32,460
there are a few of you that can get

1215
00:54:36,950 --> 00:54:35,430
involved and how can you accurately tell

1216
00:54:38,540 --> 00:54:36,960
there's no pulse because you said

1217
00:54:39,950 --> 00:54:38,550
earlier that the layman can mistake

1218
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:39,960
there's a pulse when that's not or

1219
00:54:42,740 --> 00:54:40,290
something

1220
00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:42,750
don't bother so you just you just ho

1221
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:45,180
into it and hope the person yet could

1222
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:47,310
couldn't you hurt no no this is the

1223
00:54:52,190 --> 00:54:50,040
thing you can't hurt someone if they are

1224
00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:52,200
if they're faking it they won't let you

1225
00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:52,680
continue

1226
00:54:57,860 --> 00:54:55,500
but you've broken their ribs oh I'm not

1227
00:55:00,140 --> 00:54:57,870
sure I don't think we've we've

1228
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:00,150
threatened to give CPR to a patient who

1229
00:55:05,210 --> 00:55:03,420
was pretending to be yellow one and he

1230
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:05,220
changes mind as soon as we started

1231
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:07,530
getting close right yes if it's someone

1232
00:55:11,090 --> 00:55:09,210
who's doing it for attention which

1233
00:55:14,540 --> 00:55:11,100
unfortunately some people do let me give

1234
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:14,550
it up and it's um and and where that

1235
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,890
mark is is that so is it halfway between

1236
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:18,480
the nipples or is it low with others a

1237
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:20,430
bit lower than that so it's right in the

1238
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:21,840
middle of the sternum which is that main

1239
00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:25,110
breastbone and if you have a feel you

1240
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:27,390
can feel here oh yes and visit that's

1241
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:28,650
called as if Eastern and that is the

1242
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,840
bearing now look I've got a particulate

1243
00:55:34,340 --> 00:55:32,700
mine's easy to feel that quickly with

1244
00:55:36,020 --> 00:55:34,350
one finger don't I yeah I've got got a

1245
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:36,030
pokey out Stern and does that mean that

1246
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:37,650
you'd have to push even harder on me to

1247
00:55:39,950 --> 00:55:38,550
get to the heart because I got to

1248
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,960
Poquette sternum no not at all just

1249
00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:41,760
means it's easier to find oh okay well

1250
00:55:43,609 --> 00:55:43,110
I've been taking funds easy on me well

1251
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:43,619
you live

1252
00:55:46,609 --> 00:55:44,940
it's still early in the night you want

1253
00:55:47,660 --> 00:55:46,619
to be you don't want to be on that you

1254
00:55:49,819 --> 00:55:47,670
want to be in the middle of the

1255
00:55:51,259 --> 00:55:49,829
Stannis's tournament up it's right bit

1256
00:55:53,779 --> 00:55:51,269
on your neck and the bottom bit there

1257
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:53,789
right in the middle radio okay well and

1258
00:55:57,229 --> 00:55:55,559
if you add but if you're out by a little

1259
00:55:59,269 --> 00:55:57,239
bit it's oh yeah so this between the new

1260
00:56:01,849 --> 00:55:59,279
bomb well out by but you won't give a

1261
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,859
good compression you won't but it's

1262
00:56:05,299 --> 00:56:03,900
better than nothing nothing and don't go

1263
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:05,309
by nipples because everyone's nipples

1264
00:56:08,900 --> 00:56:07,890
move oh well yeah look yeah you're not

1265
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:08,910
telling me anything

1266
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:11,640
that's just yes that's a you Wow okay

1267
00:56:16,099 --> 00:56:13,950
okay well what if some are here here's

1268
00:56:18,170 --> 00:56:16,109
one what if someone has pierced nipples

1269
00:56:19,819 --> 00:56:18,180
and shocked them there's that is there

1270
00:56:21,890 --> 00:56:19,829
anything bad that could happen there is

1271
00:56:24,529 --> 00:56:21,900
a Mythbusters episode about exactly that

1272
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:24,539
thing and it's fine okay okay it can

1273
00:56:29,029 --> 00:56:26,670
cause a slight singe oh that's better

1274
00:56:30,769 --> 00:56:29,039
than death what if they've got a nitrate

1275
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,779
patch on them as well the one that there

1276
00:56:33,859 --> 00:56:32,160
is the explosive that's good for your

1277
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:33,869
heart yeah yeah you probably take that

1278
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:34,609
off baby

1279
00:56:38,959 --> 00:56:37,170
chances are I'm not there to go bang no

1280
00:56:40,910 --> 00:56:38,969
I would hope not however oxygen if

1281
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:40,920
they're on oxygen oh yeah got a fire

1282
00:56:44,029 --> 00:56:42,569
that's flammable at stuff I should ban

1283
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:44,039
it they should ban it it's dangerous

1284
00:56:47,959 --> 00:56:45,569
oh I'm gonna rocket scientist here how

1285
00:56:51,319 --> 00:56:47,969
you sir oh hello very good having you

1286
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,329
may not look am come that dummy was

1287
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:52,559
giving me an upskirt I don't know that's

1288
00:56:56,479 --> 00:56:54,359
something I go I know what did you learn

1289
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:56,489
anything from the CPR tonight incident

1290
00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:58,380
uh that's very exhausting yeah yeah I

1291
00:57:02,059 --> 00:57:00,630
got through it but I took a job have a

1292
00:57:03,499 --> 00:57:02,069
drink before maybe that have a shot

1293
00:57:04,849 --> 00:57:03,509
beforehand is there time for a vodka

1294
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:04,859
shot or something before you do this oh

1295
00:57:10,099 --> 00:57:06,660
maybe yeah

1296
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:10,109
and learn what I learnt about CPR oh and

1297
00:57:13,339 --> 00:57:11,400
there's a recovery position just for

1298
00:57:15,859 --> 00:57:13,349
vomiting or was the heart more relaxed

1299
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,869
on its side no the problem isn't it

1300
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:17,880
basically it stops you from inhaling

1301
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:19,680
your own vomit that's what it does and

1302
00:57:23,809 --> 00:57:22,049
it also it's once you've rolled a person

1303
00:57:25,789 --> 00:57:23,819
over onto their side then they can

1304
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:25,799
breathe easier if maybe they've got like

1305
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:28,380
lots of weight for example large

1306
00:57:34,700 --> 00:57:30,930
breasticles and really mostly guys to go

1307
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:34,710
to the gym maybe yeah okay and it goes

1308
00:57:38,479 --> 00:57:36,210
everybody wants to come along to

1309
00:57:41,569 --> 00:57:38,489
skeptics in the pub it's the first

1310
00:57:43,519 --> 00:57:41,579
Thursday from 5:30 at the Occidental

1311
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:43,529
hotel on the second level which is near

1312
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:45,690
Wynyard station that's exactly right man

1313
00:57:49,309 --> 00:57:47,609
you've got that spot on at the next

1314
00:57:52,969 --> 00:57:49,319
meeting which is in the first Thursday

1315
00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:52,979
of July we have a paranormal

1316
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:55,360
investigator named Beth Luscombe on

1317
00:57:59,970 --> 00:57:56,950
what group is she from she's from

1318
00:58:02,040 --> 00:57:59,980
paranormal Australia and she goes out

1319
00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:02,050
and tries to find ghosts and all sorts

1320
00:58:04,830 --> 00:58:03,340
of weird Ghoulies and all sorts of

1321
00:58:06,030 --> 00:58:04,840
things like that and psychic powers I

1322
00:58:07,530 --> 00:58:06,040
think as many ghosts and things that

1323
00:58:09,030 --> 00:58:07,540
she's looking at actually and she'll be

1324
00:58:11,820 --> 00:58:09,040
talking about her investigations and

1325
00:58:14,850 --> 00:58:11,830
interesting theories about the people

1326
00:58:17,370 --> 00:58:14,860
who see ghosts I know I may have spoken

1327
00:58:19,770 --> 00:58:17,380
to her at the Casula cos Shuler power

1328
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:19,780
house when when they had they would

1329
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:20,770
their group was out there and had a

1330
00:58:25,890 --> 00:58:22,750
great chat with her and if it is the

1331
00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:25,900
same person she has spoken about only

1332
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:28,150
one experience with UFOs that she had

1333
00:58:31,260 --> 00:58:29,410
where she saw something I think in the

1334
00:58:33,630 --> 00:58:31,270
Blue Mountains and she found it as being

1335
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:33,640
a little bit um mystical when she saw it

1336
00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:35,140
but that's the only thing she's seen

1337
00:58:39,540 --> 00:58:37,270
that she couldn't explain so she's quite

1338
00:58:41,220 --> 00:58:39,550
down to earth with her visions of things

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yeah she's very down to earth actually I

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mean sort of in some aspects she might

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also almost admit herself that she's bit

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skeptical hmm

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and her talk will actually be a pretty

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good mixture of a pretty independent

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view of actually what makes these things

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tick and the question for tonight - I've

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been asking people is why do you think

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psychics don't come forward more often

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and try and claim the prize why don't

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psych expand than they do because I'm

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told they do come forward occasionally

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but why don't why not more often because

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they can't do it well you're you're the

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frontline guy you're the guy who picks

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up the phone so so how often would you

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00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:16,900
get someone who claims they have a

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psychic ability that don't take it any

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further once you tell them what they got

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to do once a week once a week once a

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week so what was the last one that

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happened can you relate that question

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ring-ring ring-ring and you pick up the

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phone and say hello yeah I know who you

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00:59:36,990 --> 00:59:33,360
are already

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cuz I'm psycho what the last one I got a

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girl for you actually fairly recently

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00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:43,390
one person couldn't melt snow No is it

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isn't that isn't that a combination of

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time over temperature yeah I told him

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you know he's actually was actually

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00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:50,440
overseas I wanted to come here as input

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in his mouth he stares at it and melted

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00:59:57,750 --> 00:59:55,720
after a while but so so it's like that

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01:00:00,420 --> 00:59:57,760
guy who has the healing stare this guy's

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01:00:03,180 --> 01:00:00,430
head this guy has a very moderate heat

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01:00:04,170 --> 01:00:03,190
rays hey Bry yeah see the little things

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01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:04,180
coming out of his eyes

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01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:05,590
apparently he could get a whole bunch of

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01:00:08,940 --> 01:00:07,330
snowballs I'm not one we could nominate

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01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:08,950
a particular snowball

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01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:10,210
but I did say so slight problem in

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01:00:14,580 --> 01:00:12,010
Australia getting a bucket full of

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:14,590
snowballs yeah um so would ice from the

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01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:16,210
fridge work or that's not the same thing

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01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:17,290
no he was definitely talking about

1386
01:00:21,270 --> 01:00:18,580
snowballs actually I think he said he

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01:00:23,730 --> 01:00:21,280
could breathe huh well you could if you

1388
01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:23,740
had a really good S key idea so imagine

1389
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:24,790
coming through customs what about in

1390
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:27,550
there snowballs oh yeah sure sure I bet

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:29,530
you've got a few year got a few

1392
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:30,970
headphones from Columbia as well that's

1393
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:34,930
my man Hey look we look forward to that

1394
01:00:39,470 --> 01:00:37,210
that is oh that's the first Thursday of

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01:00:42,060 --> 01:00:39,480
next month in July which I wants to date

1396
01:00:42,750 --> 01:00:42,070
yeah it is absolutely yeah I've got no

1397
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:42,760
idea okay

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01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:46,050
whatever the first Thursday in July is

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01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:48,160
come along with the Occidental here at

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01:00:50,850 --> 01:00:49,690
about 5:30 everything will all be here

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01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:50,860
having a good time and you're very

1402
01:00:53,970 --> 01:00:52,450
welcome and everyone be a bit skeptical

1403
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:53,980
and we'll be talking about paranormal

1404
01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:55,570
tea I think it's pretty good see ah it's

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01:01:00,270 --> 01:00:58,810
my ideal night out I don't get out much

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01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:00,280
neither do I made it I'm not allowed out

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01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:02,470
very much actually but my doctor says I

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01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:04,030
can come here I can see why giving

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01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:05,910
people cassettes you aren't popular

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01:01:12,270 --> 01:01:10,660
thanks Manor it's been quite a night

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01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:12,280
here at skeptics of the pub of the

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01:01:14,730 --> 01:01:13,510
Occidental I've had a good time I've

1413
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:14,740
learned a bit about CPR I've

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01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:16,930
successfully done CPR I've seen someone

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01:01:20,460 --> 01:01:19,060
giving CPR while getting a Heimlich

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01:01:22,410 --> 01:01:20,470
maneuver and that was very special and

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01:01:24,900 --> 01:01:22,420
doctor Brad's now talking about

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01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:24,910
intestinal problems that had come to his

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01:01:27,630 --> 01:01:26,230
surgery so I think it's time to go

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01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,640
you know whenever Brad doctor Brad's

1421
01:01:30,780 --> 01:01:29,440
talking about poo usually time to leave

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01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:30,790
because he's got the in the field

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01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:32,590
experience that you don't want to hear

1424
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:34,930
may not from skeptics in the pub saying

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01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:36,930
see you later I'm gonna run downstairs

1426
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:39,220
see how many drinks are half finished on

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01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:41,530
the bar drink them all and then send

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01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:43,690
Richard this to edit enjoy the skipping

1429
01:01:48,270 --> 01:01:45,460
zone and give give give to the skipping

1430
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:48,280
zone Richard Saunders is out there every

1431
01:01:53,340 --> 01:01:50,950
day annoying people with his tin cup why

1432
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:53,350
don't you do something and donate to the

1433
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:54,970
sceptic zone on a regular basis through

1434
01:01:58,620 --> 01:01:57,190
patreon and do something to get some

1435
01:02:00,210 --> 01:01:58,630
money for the show because he's doing it

1436
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:00,220
for you so you should do it for him I'm

1437
01:02:07,470 --> 01:02:01,450
not quite sure they can outright but you

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01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:14,690
[Music]

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01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:17,040
hi this is Ben Radford and this is

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01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:18,700
Pascual Romero from the squaring the

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01:02:22,740 --> 01:02:20,890
strange podcast every week my co-host

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01:02:25,170 --> 01:02:22,750
and I casts a skeptical eye on a

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01:02:27,090 --> 01:02:25,180
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01:02:29,190 --> 01:02:27,100
mysteries and even current events are

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01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:29,200
dissected and discussed with a fun

1446
01:02:33,090 --> 01:02:31,240
unscripted and skeptical take that

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01:02:35,460 --> 01:02:33,100
you're sure to enjoy find us at squaring

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01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:35,470
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01:02:42,890 --> 01:02:52,520
[Music]

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01:02:56,609 --> 01:02:55,230
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1451
01:03:00,120 --> 01:02:56,619
zone and thank you everybody for being

1452
01:03:02,700 --> 01:03:00,130
with a skeptic zone for so long now 450

1453
01:03:04,290 --> 01:03:02,710
episodes it is a bit of a milestone

1454
01:03:07,530 --> 01:03:04,300
now I've had people ask me if I'm going

1455
01:03:11,849 --> 01:03:07,540
to make it to episode 500 I expect so

1456
01:03:14,220 --> 01:03:11,859
it's I often wonder myself look if the

1457
01:03:16,020 --> 01:03:14,230
show last episode 500 we might have a

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01:03:17,370 --> 01:03:16,030
special live broadcast or something on

1459
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:17,380
that other I've got a year to think

1460
01:03:23,550 --> 01:03:20,650
about it we'll see we'll see one more

1461
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,560
roll folks one more roll of the 10-sided

1462
01:03:27,210 --> 01:03:25,599
dice for those people who maybe missed

1463
01:03:29,309 --> 01:03:27,220
out on getting all the numbers before it

1464
01:03:32,609 --> 01:03:29,319
or any of them let's have a go so I'm

1465
01:03:36,990 --> 01:03:32,619
rolling the 10-sided dice here we go it

1466
01:03:39,630 --> 01:03:37,000
stopped on number one number one it's

1467
01:03:42,089 --> 01:03:39,640
fun but that's fun I wonder how many

1468
01:03:46,050 --> 01:03:42,099
people out there I suppose you could do

1469
01:03:49,710 --> 01:03:46,060
a rough guess just by the odds alone

1470
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:49,720
coming up on next week's show I joined

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01:03:53,460 --> 01:03:51,250
the stranger things down under group

1472
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:53,470
here in Sydney as we go out to Cockatoo

1473
01:03:59,849 --> 01:03:55,770
Island in Sydney Harbour late one night

1474
01:04:02,280 --> 01:03:59,859
for a ghost tour a lot of fun it was a

1475
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:02,290
lot of history a lot of fun I join

1476
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:05,170
lethea Lara and Trish who you all heard

1477
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:08,890
just just then in the skeptics in the

1478
01:04:14,430 --> 01:04:11,410
pub with Maynard I hope to score some

1479
01:04:16,980 --> 01:04:14,440
other interviews coming up soon and I'm

1480
01:04:20,760 --> 01:04:16,990
sure my reporters will be sending me

1481
01:04:23,790 --> 01:04:20,770
interesting reports for you all in the

1482
01:04:25,230 --> 01:04:23,800
coming weeks but for this week this is

1483
01:04:27,059 --> 01:04:25,240
Richard Saunders oh I am feeling

1484
01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:27,069
somewhat better since I made that

1485
01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:30,369
recording about the shingles I am it's

1486
01:04:36,270 --> 01:04:33,940
going through its phases but I'm getting

1487
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:36,280
them anyway this is Richard Saunders

1488
01:04:48,860 --> 01:04:45,020
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